A single-piece polycarb tube can't capture both elements (the Cup's 3.16″ rim is wider than any single-piece R24-legal tube ID), but the audit's two-piece clamshell pattern opens a third path: a wider two-piece cup tube. This page documents three options the fleet can prototype: Tube A — single-piece pin pickup at ID 2.42″; Tube B — two-piece clamshell cup tube at ID 3.50″; and Cup grabbers — the V5 claw and pneumatic pincer already on Pelican and Osprey, kept as the established alternative.
R24a caps each plastic piece at 4″ × 8″ × 0.070″. A tube heat-bent from one sheet has a developed length equal to its outer circumference. The 8″ sheet width is the binding constraint:
Element diameters from the 2026-27 Override manual (Appendix A, ⌀ = across-corners on the hex cross-sections):
| Element section | ⌀ across-corners | Fits 2.42″ ID tube? | Radial slack |
|---|---|---|---|
| Pin neck | 1.40″ | YES | 0.510″ |
| Pin mid section | 2.35″ | YES — tight | 0.035″ |
| Pin base flare | 3.16″ | NO | — |
| Cup waist | 2.32″ | YES | 0.050″ |
| Cup rim | 3.16″ | NO | — |
Heat-bent 4×8×0.060 polycarbonate. Pin enters neck-first, cinch pulls 1mm Spectra cord through two opposed holes at the tube midpoint, gripping the 2.35″ pin mid section. Used on Skimmer (2822A). Optionally paired with the two-piece clamshell funnel cap for improved Path B (loader) catch.
Two heat-bent clamshell halves bolted together at the seam (no bond — same R24-legal pattern as the audit's funnel cap). The 3.50″ ID admits the 3.16″ cup rim with 0.17″ radial slack — well within the 1″ pneumatic cylinder's stroke budget. Cinch grips the cup at the rim; the body hangs below the tube. Pin-in-cup combos transit naturally: the pin nests in the cup, the cup is held by Tube B. Candidate hosts: a configurable-end-effector bot like Heron or Falcon, or a future cup-specialist build.
The Cup gets gripped externally at its waist (2.32″) or rim (3.16″) by a 2-finger end-effector. Already deployed: Pelican (2822C) uses a V5 claw on a four-bar lift; Osprey (2822E) uses a pneumatic pincer on a chain bar. Both Heron and Falcon list claw/pincer as one of their swappable end-effector options. Kept on this page as the established alternative against Tube B.
Both developed-length conventions (outer surface and neutral axis) are under R24's 8.00″ limit. Mandrel target is 2.40″ OD — polycarb has 1–2% spring-back after heat-forming, so finished ID typically lands between 2.41″ and 2.45″. If post-fabrication measurement shows ID < 2.39″, the pin mid won't fit; use a slightly larger mandrel on the next attempt.
The cinch's job is to take up the 0.035″ radial slack and apply enough normal force to prevent pin slip under transit accelerations. With the corrected (tighter) tube ID, the cinch travel budget shrinks dramatically vs the older 2.55″ spec.
Skimmer's architecture supports two distinct ways the pin enters the tube. The geometry analysis above applies equally to both; what differs is the catch reliability and where the pin starts.
| Path | How | Catch reliability | Funnel needed? |
|---|---|---|---|
| Path A roller-transfer |
Front roller (see /skimmer-roller-cad/) catches the pin against the chassis and rolls it up into the tube top. | High — the roller's compliance and width swallow alignment error. | No. |
| Path B loader direct catch |
Pin drops from the loader into the tube top during teleop. No roller staging. | Medium at bare tube; the 2.42″ mouth is narrower than the 3.16″ pin flare, so catch tolerance is the difference (~0.4″ radial). | Yes — clamshell funnel widens the effective catch mouth to 4.5″ (see audit Sheets 4–5). |
Full bench-side procedure lives in the mentor handout (21 pages). The headline numbers:
R24's plastic-piece limit applies per piece, not per assembly. R24d forbids chemical bonding but explicitly permits mechanical fastening. A two-piece tube assembled with bolts is fully compliant. The audit already uses this pattern for the Tube A funnel cap (two half-cone pieces, mouth 4.5″); Tube B applies the same trick to a cylinder.
Both flat-pattern dimensions (5.69″ arc, 3.50″ axial) fit inside R24's 4″ × 8″ envelope with ~0.50″ safety margin on the axial dimension. Mandrel target: 3.50″ OD — a length of 3.5″ PVC pipe at 3-1/2″ nominal works for the first prototype; aluminum mandrel for the production part.
Tube B can only grip the cup at one place: the rim (3.16″). The waist (2.32″) is too narrow — the cinch would need 1.23″ of stroke to close that much diametral gap, which exceeds the 1″ VEX cylinder's travel. This forces a specific axial layout: the cinch holes are positioned so they land at the rim's axial location when the cup is fully inserted.
| Grip target | Cup ø | Diametral slack | Cinch stroke (+0.05 preload) | 1″ cyl budget |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cup rim (top edge) | 3.16″ | 0.34″ | 0.39″ | 2.6× margin |
| Cup waist (middle) | 2.32″ | 1.18″ | 1.23″ | EXCEEDS — no grip |
Tube A is one piece, one heat-form session, two cinch holes. Tube B is two pieces, two heat-form sessions, plus seam alignment. The work doubles before you reach the cinch.
| Step | Tube A (single-piece) | Tube B (clamshell) |
|---|---|---|
| Stock cut | 1 piece, 4×8 rect | 2 pieces, 5.69″ × 3.50″ each (cut from one 4×8 sheet with care, or from two) |
| Drill (pre-form) | 2 cinch holes, mid-axial | 2 cinch holes + 4 seam bolt holes per piece (8 seam holes total) |
| Heat-form sessions | 1 session on 2.40″ mandrel | 2 sessions on 3.50″ mandrel (one per piece) |
| Seam assembly | None (open seam) | Align halves, insert 4 × #4-40 + nylock nuts, snug-tighten without cracking polycarb |
| Inspection complexity | 1 piece traced flat against R24 template | 2 pieces traced + photo of mechanical assembly proving no bond |
| R24 piece count | 1 piece | 2 pieces (3 with funnel) |
Tube B is purpose-built for the Cup. It does NOT replace Tube A. Two failure modes worth documenting explicitly:
Tube B's 3.50″ ID is significantly wider than Tube A's 2.42″, which buys back some of the catch tolerance. The catch story is different from Tube A's:
| Path | Tube A (pin) | Tube B (cup) |
|---|---|---|
| Effective catch mouth | 2.42″ | 3.50″ |
| Target diameter | 1.40″ pin neck | 3.16″ cup rim |
| Radial tolerance | 0.51″ | 0.17″ |
| Funnel needed? | Yes for Path B — clamshell funnel widens mouth to 4.5″. | Possibly — raw tube tolerance is tight. A 4.5″ clamshell funnel on top of Tube B would buy 0.67″ radial — same pattern as Tube A's funnel. |
Conclusion: Tube B may still want the clamshell funnel cap for Path B reliability. Total piece count would then be 4 (2 tube halves + 2 funnel halves), still well under the 12-piece R24 budget.
An external grabber has two natural grip points on the Cup: at the waist (2.32″ diameter, narrowest section) or at the rim (3.16″ diameter, top edge). The grip point determines the grabber's required opening and force budget.
| Grip point | Diameter | Required grabber opening | Grip nature |
|---|---|---|---|
| Waist (mid) | 2.32″ | ~2.4″ open → ~2.2″ closed | Form-fit — waist is the narrow region between rim and base; gripper seats naturally and won't slide off vertically. |
| Rim (top) | 3.16″ | ~3.3″ open → ~3.0″ closed | Friction — rim is the widest part; the grabber relies on inward force, not geometry, to hold. Easier to grab from above (loader drop). |
Two-finger motorized claw, standard VEX part. Continuously variable grip force via motor current. Already deployed on Pelican (2822C) as the V1.5 Hero Bot end-effector on a four-bar lift. Falcon and Heron list the claw as one of their swappable manipulator options.
Pros: proven part, simple wiring, continuously adjustable grip strength. Works for both rim and waist grip with no hardware change — just tune the close angle.
Cons: consumes a motor port (V5 claw is its own port, not shared with the lift). Grip force depends on motor stall; sustained grip can heat the motor on long matches.
Two-finger pincer driven by a single-acting pneumatic cylinder (typically 1.0″ bore VEX cylinder with return spring). Already deployed on Osprey (2822E)'s chain bar end. Heron and Falcon list pneumatic pincer as an alternative end-effector.
Pros: zero motor cost (uses a solenoid, no motor port). Instant full-force close (no ramp-up like a motor). Grip force is set by air pressure, not by sustained current — no heat issue.
Cons: binary (open / closed, no in-between). Consumes a solenoid port and air budget. Pneumatic plumbing adds build complexity. Air tank capacity limits per-match cycle count (~30–60 cinch cycles depending on tank size and cylinder volume).
The two-piece clamshell tube documented in Section 2. Listed here so this section's option list stays exhaustive. Tube B sits between the two grabber options in the build-complexity dimension (harder than a V5 claw, comparable to a pneumatic pincer) and wins on grip-by-geometry rather than grip-by-friction. See the Decision Matrix in Section 4 for the side-by-side score.
Override scoring rewards Pins nested inside Cups (SC3). Any cup-grabber needs to transport the combo without dropping the Pin. The key constraint is cup orientation through the lift arc — if the Cup rim ever points below horizontal during transit, the Pin can fall out.
| Lift architecture | Combo orientation behavior | Combo transport |
|---|---|---|
| Four-bar lift (Pelican 2822C) |
Preserved. Parallel-motion arms keep the claw orientation level through the entire lift cycle. Cup mouth stays up. | Native — no extra hardware needed |
| Chain bar (Osprey 2822E) |
Preserved. 1:1 chain ratio keeps the manipulator level through the 180° sweep, like the four-bar. | Native — no extra hardware needed |
| Swing bar (legacy V1) |
Flipped at 180° unless a 5.5W wrist counter-rotates the grabber. | Requires wrist motor + coordinated control |
| Stacked reach (Heron) |
Preserved when the chain-bar end-effector is used (Heron's published config). | Native — no extra hardware needed |
| Criterion | Tube A (pin) |
Tube B (cup) |
V5 Claw (cup) |
Pneu. Pincer (cup) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| R24 legality | 5 ID 2.42″ legal w/ margin |
4 legal as 2-piece; seam scrutiny |
5 commercial part, no polycarb |
5 commercial parts, no polycarb |
| Grip reliability | 5 300:1 cinch safety factor |
5 160:1 cinch SF; geometric grip |
4 motor torque, tunable |
5 full-bore air = high force |
| Pin-in-cup combo | 1 cup can’t enter Tube A |
5 grip cup rim, pin nests inside |
5 grip cup, pin nested |
5 grip cup, pin nested |
| Motor port cost | 4 5.5W for tube rotation |
4 5.5W for tube rotation |
3 5.5W or 11W for claw |
5 0 motors, solenoid only |
| Air budget cost | 3 1 cylinder per cycle |
3 1 cylinder per cycle |
5 0 air |
3 1 cylinder per cycle |
| Build complexity (higher = simpler) | 2 heat-form polycarb + cinch |
1 2 heat-form + seam alignment |
5 drop-in commercial |
3 pneumatic plumbing |
| Per-match cycle count | 3 air-limited ~30–60 |
3 air-limited ~30–60 |
5 unlimited (motor) |
3 air-limited ~30–60 |
| Element specificity | 2 PIN ONLY |
2 CUP ONLY (+ combo) |
4 cup ± combo |
4 cup ± combo |
| Notebook story | 5 R24 audit + heat-form custom |
5 clamshell innovation + symmetric arch |
3 commercial = less custom |
4 pneumatic integration |
| Totals | 30 | 32 | 39 | 37 |
| Bot | Lift | Primary mech | Element focus | Combo capable? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Skimmer 2822A |
2-bar swing arm | Tube A (polycarb pin pickup) | PIN | No |
| Pelican 2822C |
Four-bar lift | V5 claw (deployed) | CUP + combo | Yes (orientation preserved by four-bar) |
| Spoonbill 2822D |
Four-bar lift + 5.5W claw rotation | V5 claw with active wrist (deployed) | CUP + combo + orientation flips | Yes — plus active reorientation of pin or cup during transit |
| Osprey 2822E |
Chain bar | Pneumatic pincer (primary) / Tube A (secondary) | CUP + combo (pincer) or PIN (tube) | Yes (chain bar preserves orientation) |
| Heron | Four-bar + chain bar end-effector | Swappable: claw / pincer / Tube A / Tube B | Configurable — strong Tube B candidate (orientation preserved end-to-end) | Depends on end-effector |
| Falcon | 4-DOF arm | Swappable: claw / pincer / Tube A / Tube B | Configurable — arm DOF lets Falcon orient any end-effector arbitrarily | Depends on end-effector |
| Future "cup specialist" bot (TBD) |
Four-bar or chain bar (orientation-preserving) | Tube B (or pincer) | CUP + combo | Yes |
The per-mechanism scoring above asks "which manipulator is best." The per-bot question — "which manipulator fits each bot, and what's the fleet meta" — gets its own page so it can be referenced independently of the mechanism-level prototyping detail. The standalone page covers:
Order of operations parallels Tube A's, with two extra steps for clamshell assembly. Total time: roughly 1.8× Tube A's investment per prototype, plus the seam-bolt alignment.
Less hardware prototyping needed — both V5 claw and pneumatic pincer are commercial / already-built parts. The work is in matching the grabber to each bot's lift and tuning for cup grip.
| Test | Pass criteria | Bot(s) |
|---|---|---|
| Tube A pin grip solo pin, 50 cycles |
0 drops, no string fatigue, finished ID drift < 0.005″ | Skimmer |
| Tube A Path A catch roller-transfer |
20 / 20 catches with pin alignment offset ± 0.5″ | Skimmer |
| Tube A Path B catch direct from loader |
Bare tube: 14 / 20 catches. With clamshell funnel: 19 / 20 catches. | Skimmer |
| Tube B cup grip solo cup mouth-up, 50 cycles |
0 drops, cinch lands consistently on rim (not waist), seam bolts stay snug | Heron / Falcon / future cup bot |
| Tube B pin-in-cup combo cup loaded with pin nested, 50 cycles |
0 pin drops AND 0 cup drops during full lift cycle | Heron / Falcon / future cup bot |
| Tube B Path B catch cup direct from loader |
Bare tube: target ≥ 15 / 20 (tight ~0.17″ radial). With 4.5″ funnel: ≥ 19 / 20. | Heron / Falcon / future cup bot |
| Tube B seam integrity post 200-cycle |
No crack propagation from seam bolt holes; bolt torque drop < 30% | Heron / Falcon / future cup bot |
| Claw cup grip (rim) top-down approach |
0 / 20 drops during full lift cycle | Pelican |
| Pincer cup grip (waist) side approach |
0 / 20 drops during full chain bar sweep | Osprey |
| Pin-in-cup combo (claw) | 0 / 20 pin drops during cup transit | Pelican |
| Pin-in-cup combo (pincer) | 0 / 20 pin drops during cup transit | Osprey |
For each prototype, the engineering notebook entry should cover: